Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 82407)

I had the impression that Yoda favoured a back stroke that started with the hands and the hands only. I can make it work but I don't like it.

However, after watching his videos from the PGA conference it appeared that the feet and hips and shoulders are into it as well. From the very first beginning.

If I understand this correct:

Yoda teaches the stroke with emphasis on the hands and on the right side of the pivot. But that doesn't mean that the rest of the body isn't in on it. I think he emphasises the parts that he want the student to focus, while the other parts is supposed or deemed to respond accordingly. So: When you pick up the club with the right forear, the pivot starts to move at the same time. So in other words, it's not only the club you put in motion with the RF pickup. You put the hips, feet and shoulders in motion too.

If you watch when Yoda talks about Davis Love's waggle - coupled with the MacDonald drill (left-right-left-right) you will see that the feet responds to the motion of the arms.

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 82407)

If you watch when Yoda talks about Davis Love's waggle - coupled with the MacDonald drill (left-right-left-right) you will see that the feet responds to the motion of the arms.

[Bold emphasis by Yoda.]

Originally Posted by airair (Post 82388)

Only the first one - which I have read. Interesting, funny and revealing insight into a caddie's world.

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 82411)

Actually, Bernt, it's "right-left-right-left".

Not being a smart a**.

:)

It's the difference between a "reverse" pivot and the pivot of champions.

:salut:

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 82425)

I think if you grow into the game as a kid and develop almost an effective stroke by instinct - with a couple of cosmetic flaws, there is a risk that a little knowledge can lead to messing up the swing, whether it comes from the player, a well meaning father, a mediocre pro or bad advice from other players. But this is likely to depend on the person. And in this area as in many others: Knowing just a little can be dangerous.

For guys like us, Air, who tend to think about what is the correct or best-for-me way to strike the ball, and who knever have had good golf instincts, knowledge is much better than the alternative.

And besides, when you get above a certain level of knowing, when the pieces start to fall in place and you begin to see the whole picture, things get a lot simpler. They always do.

Originally Posted by airair (Post 82423)

We learn to ride a bike by feel. Is it the same with golf? But more difficult - more mechanics. But a feel must be personal and one's own. I can't have anybody else's feel. But the mechanics and alignments can be the same. But with wrong mechanics we can get a wrong feel, I fear. So we have to know what we are doing. But is there a limit to how much knowledge of mechanics one must or can have so that it doesn't interfere with the feel we want to develop? :think: :dontknow:

Originally Posted by brianmontgomery2000 (Post 82441)

I used to play regularly with a guy who was very good and had been playing since he was 5. I had picked the game up in college and was still looking for the "how to" instructions.

I once asked the guy what his right knee was doing. He said "I don't know, and further more I DON'T WANT TO KNOW!" He just knew how his swing felt and didn't want to be thinking about it during the swing...