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Old 02-14-2006, 12:40 AM
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The Flat Left Wrist and its Roll (Hinge Action) controls the Clubface Alignment (and the Rhythm of the Stroke) during Impact and Follow-Through. In so doing, it remains Vertical to one of the three Basic Planes of motion, i.e., Horizontal, Angled or Vertical. It remains Vertical to the Inclined Plane only during Angled Hinge Action.

Dear Yoda,

I know that the Flat Left Wrist is vertical to the Inclined Plane during Impact, and that it is vertical to the Inclined Plane during Angled Hinging. If one gradually rolls the left wrist on the backswing to place it on the Inclined Plane at the Top that is standard procedure for Hitting. But is it an acceptable procedure to keep the Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined plane all the way to the Top and give the appearance of a shut clubface? Or does this violate G.O.L.F.?
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Old 02-14-2006, 01:35 AM
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Steering To the Top
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...is it an acceptable procedure to keep the Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined plane all the way to the Top and give the appearance of a shut clubface? Or does this violate G.O.L.F.?
Keeping the Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane to The Top is an unnatural action that counteracts both the natural Body Turn and the natural Arm Swing. It is, in a word...

Steering (3-F-7-A).

It is also the procedure used by no less than PGA TOUR great, Miller Barber. But even the great Miller ultimately had to Fan the Right Forearm or else...

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Old 02-14-2006, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Keeping the Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane to The Top is an unnatural action that counteracts both the natural Body Turn and the natural Arm Swing. It is, in a word...

Steering (3-F-7-A).

It is also the procedure used by no less than PGA TOUR great, Miller Barber. But even the great Miller ultimately had to Fan the Right Forearm or else...

Forever abandon all hope of Power.
Thanks Yoda,

That lifts the fog for me. When I was using 10-5-E it seemed like a viable option.
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Old 02-28-2006, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Keeping the Left Wrist vertical to the Inclined Plane to The Top is an unnatural action that counteracts both the natural Body Turn and the natural Arm Swing. It is, in a word...

Steering (3-F-7-A).

It is also the procedure used by no less than PGA TOUR great, Miller Barber. But even the great Miller ultimately had to Fan the Right Forearm or else...

Forever abandon all hope of Power.

Does it make any sense that I would have more Lag at impact when I keep the left wrist Vertical to the Plane all the way to the Top and simply Drive the entire Primary Lever to Follow Through than when I gradually roll the left wrist to on Plane at the Top and Paddle-Wheel all the way to Follow Through?
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:05 PM
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If You Need Power, You Need On Plane Wristcock
Originally Posted by johngolf33
Does it make any sense that I would have more Lag at impact when I keep the left wrist Vertical to the Plane all the way to the Top and simply Drive the entire Primary Lever to Follow Through than when I gradually roll the left wrist to on Plane at the Top and Paddle-Wheel all the way to Follow Through?
No, John, it doesn't make any sense. That's because if your Wrist never Turns to the Plane, the Club can never be Cocked On Plane. And that means that the Left Wristcock -- the true Velocity Accumulator -- has been taken out of action.

Not a good thing.
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Old 02-28-2006, 01:56 PM
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Hitter, Wrist Action and On Plane Clubshaft
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No, John, it doesn't make any sense. That's because if your Wrist never Turns to the Plane, the Club can never be Cocked On Plane. And that means that the Left Wristcock -- the true Velocity Accumulator -- has been taken out of action.

Not a good thing.
Does that mean for the Hitter, because he gradually Turns his Left Wrist to an On Plane position at the Top, with the motion of his Arms and Pivot (as opposed with the Forearm itself), that the Cocking of the Left Wrist will cause the Clubshaft to be Off Plane in the beginning of the Stroke?
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Old 02-28-2006, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by johngolf33
Does it make any sense that I would have more Lag at impact when I keep the left wrist Vertical to the Plane all the way to the Top and simply Drive the entire Primary Lever to Follow Through than when I gradually roll the left wrist to on Plane at the Top and Paddle-Wheel all the way to Follow Through?
You may have more 'mass' at impact than you usually do, but you will not have 'maximum power' or speed without taking advantage of physics and cocking the left wrist.

As a hitter (from what you describe) you will be focused more on the loading of the right elbow.
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Anyone has an explanation for post #27 above?
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Old 03-01-2006, 11:55 AM
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The Hitter's On Plane Wristcock
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Does that mean for the Hitter, because he gradually Turns his Left Wrist to an On Plane position at the Top, with the motion of his Arms and Pivot (as opposed with the Forearm itself), that the Cocking of the Left Wrist will cause the Clubshaft to be Off Plane in the beginning of the Stroke?
Any action that produces an awkward or 'un-golflike' motion is improper execution (3-F-6). And arriving at the Top of the Stroke with the Left Wrist vertical to the Plane as johngolf33 described produces exactly that in spades. It just 'ain't natur'l.'

On the other hand, the move of the Hitter is 'natural' defined. The Wrist Turns on the Backstroke in exact concert with the Body Turn and Arm Swing. As Extensor Action causes the Right Elbow to bend, the Left Wrist Cocks just as it should. Through it all, the Clubshaft remains On Plane with Club pointing at the Line except when they are parallel (1-L #6).
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Old 03-15-2006, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
No, John, it doesn't make any sense. That's because if your Wrist never Turns to the Plane, the Club can never be Cocked On Plane. And that means that the Left Wristcock -- the true Velocity Accumulator -- has been taken out of action.

Not a good thing.

If you were using 10-5-E with Hitting, I assume that you would turn the left wrist going back so that it would lie flat on the Crossline Plane to right field, and that on the downswing the right shoulder would lead down the Crossline Plane to set the Pressure Points for a straight line delivery of the clubhead i.e. Wheel Track. If you were using 10-5-A would you still have a straight line delivery Angle of Approach i.e. Wheel Track, and would the difference be that the clubhead would travel down the Angle of Attack but not cross the Low Point Plane Line to right field?
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